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Стоит ли гордиться казахам, если на Олимпиаде за Казахстан побеждают представители других народов?

   Если задать такой вопрос гражданам Казахстана, то можно получить разные и даже противоположные ответы. Одни скажут, что нужно гордиться всем, поскольку побеждают спортсмены Казахстана и флаг Казахстана поднимается. А если выиграли золото, то и гимн Казахстана звучит. А кто по национальности спортсмен не имеет значения. Главное что страна показывает себя на международном уровне. Другие возразят и скажут, что это страна Казахстан, т.е. она названа по имени народа проживающего в ней. Поэтому представлять эту страну на Олимпиаде должны казахи. Если кто-то из них побеждает, то все видят лицо представителя этого народа. И это гордость казахов и всех граждан Казахстана. Третьи могут сказать, что Казахстан фактически федерация, в которой проживают многие национальности, и поэтому все они вправе представлять Казахстан на Олимпиаде. А кто победит тому честь и слава, а всем казахстанцам достаётся гордость за страну. Могут и другие мнения. Возможно, правы и те и другие и третьи. Главное разобраться в том, что происходит на самом деле.
   Наличие спорта в стране и достижения в ней изначально являлись показателем развития нации и здоровья его граждан. И это было бы объективно, если бы не существовало политических и национальных противоречий между странами. Олимпиада и другие международные спортивные соревнования вместо дружбы и солидарности между спортсменами разных стран стали состязанием амбиций больших и малых стран, подменяющих их положение и важность в мире. В первую очередь эти спортивные состязания стали использовать в политических целях диктаторские и империалистические режимы. Фашистская Германия добилась проведения Олимпиады в Берлине вскоре после прихода Гитлера к власти. Они хотели продемонстрировать свою фашистскую идеологию превосходства северно-европейской, так называемой арийской расы, над другими нациями и народами. В последствие, диктаторы Советской империи и её страны-сателлиты, как и Гитлер, стали использовать Олимпиаду для показа превосходства своих режимов над другими странами. Олимпиада как бы стала ареной холодной войны коммунистических режимов с Западом и всем свободным миром. Эти диктаторские правительства не жалели средств на развитие и пропаганду спорта в своих странах, чтобы нацелить молодёжь на победы в международных спортивных состязаниях. Плоды побед своих спортсменов эти режимы использовали для политической пропаганды и маскировки своих бесчеловечных режимов. Они руководствовались принципом – если у нас много медалей значит у нас всё хорошо и даже лучше чем у других. Любительский спорт управлялся на правительственном уровне политическими профессионалами и практически превращался в этих странах в профессиональный спорт. Хотя после развала СССР и его сателлитов прошло более двух десятилетий, отголоски и метастазы прошлого дают себя знать в ряде новых постсоветских странах. В этих странах коммунистическую идеологию в продвижении спорта заменили либо националистической идеологией, либо финансовым стимулированием, а то и тем и другим вместе.
   Не расстался в этом смысле с прошлым и Казахстан. Диктатор Назарбаев, не имея возможности реализовать националистическую идеологию в стимулировании побед на Олимпиаде и других международных спортивных соревнованиях, прибегает к финансовому стимулированию своих спортсменов и вербовке иностранных наёмников. Для него безразлично кто и как победит. Важно чтобы были золотые, серебряные и бронзовые медали и Казахстан светился время от времени на почётных местах. Ведь Назарбаев считает, что он олицетворяет Казахстан, а Казахстан олицетворяет его. В конечном итоге слава достаётся ему лично как Лидеру Нации, лично опекающему спорт в стране и всех подданных. Политические и пропагандистские результаты не заставляют ждать. Такая малочисленная по населению страна, а так много медалей. Значит, в стране всё благополучно и всем гражданам живётся там очень прекрасно. Хорошо, обманул диктатор международную общественность и своих земляков. А дальше что, жить в обмане? Здоровья у народа нет, благополучия нет, развития, которое должно соответствовать числу медалей, нет. Турция с населением 74 миллиона человек, с развитой экономикой не имеет такого количества медалей, сколько имеет 15 миллионный экономически малоразвитый Казахстан, живущий за счёт своих недр. Американские спортсмены получают за каждую медаль от 10 до 25 тысяч долларов, при этом платят государству 9 тысяч долларов в качестве налога за каждую золотую медаль. Причём деньги спортсмены получают от национального олимпийского комитета спонсируемого частными лицами и кампаниями. Казахстан платит за счёт государства 250 тысяч долларов за медаль.
   Что же происходит на самом деле в Казахстане со спортом. Давайте начнём с демографической стороны. Если казахов в стране 64% от всего населения, то казахов участников и медалистов должно быть соответственно 64% . На самом деле цифры даже близко не приближаются к должным. О чём это говорит? Здесь явно видны перекосы и пороки. Во-первых, слишком много медалей для маленькой страны. Во-вторых, медали завоёваны не представителями коренного народа. Первое объясняется тем, что медали практически “куплены” за огромные деньги. Эти медали не заслуга национальных спортсменов и не показатель высокого развития спорта в стране. Оно показывает больше унижение казахского народа, чем славу и гордость. Второе показывает что казахи, представляющие 64% населения страны, практически лишены возможности заниматься спортом и проявлять себя на международных состязаниях. И это всё потому, что диктатору Назарбаеву просто хочется много медалей, и не важно, как они получены. Как и во многих других случаях, Назарбаев и здесь предаёт интересы казахского народа. Он выставляет казахов как народ ни на что не способный. Даже в спорте их подменяют другие. Для казахского народа было бы важней, чтобы казахская молодёжь больше занималась спортом и оздоровляла нацию, чем иметь показные медали ничего не дающие самому народу. Для казахов было бы лучше, если бы на Олимпиады ездили казахские спортсмены. Даже если сегодня они вернуться без медалей, то завтра они используют свой опыт в международных состязаниях в последующих состязаниях или для передачи его следующему поколению спортсменов. И результаты не заставят себя ждать. Пусть одна или две медали, зато честно завоёваны своими спортсменами. Любой казах будет по настоящему гордиться победой на Олимпиаде, если эту медаль завоевал казахский спортсмен. Это аксиома, не требующая доказательства. Русские будут гордиться своими русскими спортсменами-медалистами, даже если они выступали за другие государства. Это тоже аксиома. Ну а пока диктатор Назарбаев будет править страной казахам остаётся только глотать горечь стыда, который навязывает диктатор своему народу. Чем больше “чужих” не казахских медалей будет получено на Олимпиаде, тем позорнее будет казахам от такой “славы”.
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17)  Неизвестный  Откуда:  Неизвестно  
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   «Стал известен состав казахстанской делегации на XXII зимние Олимпийские игры в Сочи — Казахстан будут представлять 58 спортсменов в 11 видах спорта, сообщает сайт телеканала «Казахстан».
В соревнованиях по лыжным гонкам примут участие 14 спортсменов. В мужских соревнованиях выступят: Ердос Ахмадиев, Алексей Полторанин, Николай Чеботько, Марк Старостин, Евгений Величко, Сергей Черепанов, Александр Малышев и Денис Волотка. В женских: Марина Матросова, Елена Коломина, Анна Шевченко, Татьяна Осипова, Виктория Ланчакова и Анна Стоян.
В конькобежном спорте за медали будут бороться Денис Кузин, Дмитрий Бабенко, Роман Креч, Александр Жигин, Федор Мезенцев и Екатерина Айдова.
В соревнованиях по фристайлу будут участвовать Дмитрий Рейхерд — в могуле, Сергей Берестовский — в акробатике; а также среди женщин Юлия Галышева и Дарья Рыбалова — в могуле, Жибек Арапбаева и Жанбота Алдабергенова — в акробатике.
В соревнованиях по биатлону примут участие 10 спортсменов: Диас Кенешев, Ян Савицкий, Сергей Наумик, Антон Пантов, Александр Трифонов, Елена Хрусталева, Марина Лебедева, Дарья Усанова, Алина Райкова и Галина Вишневская.
В санном спорте Казахстан будут представлять Артур Байбачинов, Сергей Коржнев, Юрий Веселов, Иван Макивчук, Елизавета Аксенова и Татьяна Невзорова.
В горнолыжном спорте казахстанцы будут болеть за Игоря Закурдаева, Дмитрия Кошкина, Мартина Хубера и Екатерину Черепанову.
В лыжном двоеборье — Сергей Шарабаев, в сноуборде — Валерия Цой.
В прыжках на лыжах с трамплина — Марат Жапаров и Алексей Пчелинцев.
Ранее стало известно имя знаменосца сборной Казахстана на открытии Олимпиады в Сочи. Этой чести был удостоен лыжник Ердос Ахмадиев.»

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   Немецкие фашисты на Берлинской олимпиаде пытались продемонстрировать превосходство немецкой расы.
Коммунисты на Московской олимпиаде пытались продемонстрировать превосходство коммунистической системы.
Русские шовинисты на Сочинской олимпиаде будут пытаься продемонстрировать превосходство русской расы.
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Вопрос казахского языка не является частным делом или риторическим, типа шекспировского – быть или не быть? Это вопрос жизни и смерти казахского языка в казахском государстве.
Это вопрос государственный и политический. Необходимо разумное решение этого вопроса. Потому что от результатов принятого решения зависят судьбы многих людей, граждан страны.
Правительство, к сожалению, не решает этот вопрос и старается отмолчаться или уводит общество от проблемы. Такое положение ведёт к недовольству многих граждан, либо к страху и не доверию людей друг к другу.
Сами граждане, не зависимо от правительственного бездействия, должны решать, что делать с казахским языком.
Если ты казах или казашка и не знаешь казахский язык, то простой гражданской и человеческой обязанностью является необходимость изучить свой родной язык. Прежде всего, надо подумать о своём будущем, когда будет достигнут возраст почтения. Ещё пару десятков лет назад трудно было себе представить, что два аксакала или две апашки будут судачить между собой на русском языке. Возраст для изучения не помеха, а лишь оправдание. Учитесь у своих детей и знакомых, говорящих на казахском языке. Учитесь, прежде всего, разговорному языку. Начните с простых слов и фраз и слушайте диалоги, пьесы, рассказы, записанные на дисках. Потом осваивайте грамматику и письменность.
Если ты русский или русская, либо другой не казахской национальности, то нужно определиться с будущим. Если ты видишь своё будущее в Казахстане, то начинай изучать казахский язык без промедления. Если ты думаешь о будущем проживании в России, то язык изучать нет смысла. Тогда всю энергию нужно направить на переезд на новое место жительство.
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