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Должны ли казахи гордиться Аттилой?

   Аттила был рождён на территории современного Западного Казахстана. С 434 до 453 г.г. он был императором Гуннской Империи простиравшейся от степей современного Казахстана до равнин рек Рейна и Дуная в Западной Европе. Аттила и его народ Гунны были кочевниками, говорящими на тюркском языке и с внешностью схожей с современными казахами. Угрожая Римской и Византийской империям, Аттила обложил их налогами и податями. В 450 г. Он заключил союз с Римским Императором Валентином III и совершил ряд походов для завоевания территорий нынешней Франции и Испании. Впоследствии, обручившись с сестрой Императора Валентина III, Аттила потребовал от Валентина III половину Римской Империи в качестве приданного. В это же время у Аттилы произошли разногласия с Римским генералом Флавием. При разделе наследия правителя Франков Флавий поддержал младшего сына, а Аттила взял сторону старшего. Битва между войсками Рима возглавляемыми Флавием и войсками Аттилы в союзе с германскими племенами произошла на Каталунском поле на территории нынешней Франции. Аттила отступил под натиском союзных войск Римской Империи, и победа досталась генералу Флавию. В следующем году завоевав Италию, Аттила подготовил базу для взятия Рима. Однако в результате неурожая и голода в Италии, он предпочёл мир с Римом и вывел свои войска из Италии. Вскоре Аттила умер, но Римская Империя после ряда сражений с войсками Аттилы сильно ослабла и впоследствии пришла к распаду. В итоге, вторжение Аттилы в Западную Европу резко и навсегда изменило расстановку политических сил в этом регионе.
   Оставив глубокий след в истории Западной и Восточной Европы, Аттила стал национальным героем ряда европейских народов. Например, воспет как благородный король в северно-европейских сагах Фльтаквида, Волсунгасага и Атламал. Аттила отмечен в польских летописях как народный герой. У немцев родители до сих пор называют своих детей именем Аттилы. Во время Первой Мировой войны император Вильгельм II поднял имя Аттилы как доблестного героя немецкого народа и воспроизвёл немецкую солдатскую и офицерскую каску в форме войлочной шапки и боевого шлема кочевников времён Атилы. Имя “Аттила” широко распространено в Турции и Венгрии. В Венгрии ряд улиц и других общественных мест названы именем Аттилы. Венгры считают свою страну второй родиной Гуннов, называя её Хунгарией. А сами венгры называют себя Мадьярами. В состав казахского народа входит род Мадьяр, который дал это имя современным венграм.
   Непонятным является то, что имя Аттилы оставляет равнодушным современных казахских историков, несмотря на все очевидные факты теснейшей связи современных казахов со своими древними потомками гунами и их вождём Аттилой. Нет ни какой поддержки со стороны казахского государства в формировании национальной гордости у казахов за их родство с такой феноминальной исторической личностью как Аттила. В прошлом такое забвение можно было отнести за счёт страха и ненависти к кочевникам в европейских странах, включая Россию. В последнюю историческую эпоху этот страх особенно господствовал в Российской империи из-за непосредственной близости к кочевым потомкам Аттилы и Чингиз-хана. Столетиями господствующая имперская элита либо обливала грязью кочевников, либо навязывала образ дикой орды в отношении казахских непокоряемых кочевников. Одновременно также империя уничтожала все следы исторического значения казахских кочевников. После изгнания кочевых племён с днепровских и прикавказских степей за Волгу, Российская империя постаралась уничтожить не только города, но и всякую память о процветавшей многие века цивилизации кочевников. Были сожжены и стёрты с лица земли все города на Волге, за исключением Казани и Астрахани, которые были оставленны для стратегических целей экспансии на восток. Хотя фактически остались лишь названия этих городов. Всё остальное - население, памятники культуры и письменные творения, были уничтожены беспощадно. За все прошедшие годы после завоевания и уничтожения волжских городов да всех других городов степного края между Днепром и Волгой, никому не позволялось делать какие-либо раскопки на местах бывших, великих, городов, как например, Сарая на Волге или Сарайчика на реке Урал. Положим, всё это было объяснимо в прошлом, включая советское прошлое. А почему за 20 лет независимости не было даже попытки восстановить историческую справедливость и вернуть казахскому народу их исторических героев хотя бы такого масштаба как Аттила и Чингиз-хан. Не потому ли что самозваный Лидер Нации господин Назарбаев заявил однажды, что у казахов никогда не было государственности, и первое казахское государство было создано им после распада СССР. Не потому ли что господин Назарбаев возомнил, что он самый великий из всех казахов, когда либо, рождённых на казахской земле. Не потому ли что он стал строить себе памятники, как величайшей исторической личности, и другим уже не осталось места в истории Казахстана. А может он боится, что такие исторические личности как Аттила затмят его величие и народ в сравнении поймёт кто чего стоит.
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Скульптура Аттилы на коне. Автор Жорж С. Стюарт, американский скульптор и историк. Стюарт создал более 400 исторических скульптур с максимальной точностью воспроизводящих их внешность, одежду и воороужение.
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   Да, Атилла возглавлял Западное крыло Гунской империи и продолжал двигаться на Запад. Эта историческая личность, изменившая Европу. Нужна наглядная агитация (фильмы, мультики, книги) для подрастающего поколения. Нам нужно самим знать свою историю и пропагандировать. За нас никто этого делать не будет. Не дать затоптать нашу память, нашу историю.
В реале же все вокруг говорят, что у казахов нет истории и нет будущего и молодежь растет ущемленной. Наша проблема в том, что мы слишком часто оглядываемся на других, особенно на Россию. Этот рабский менталитет надо с корнем вырывать. Нужно с колыбели преподносить историю такой, какой она была и даже нужно приукрасить, чтобы было доходчиво. Казах должен почувствовать себя потомком героических прадедов, изменявших мир по своему хотению. И никогда и ни на кого не оглядываться.
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Год и место рождения Аттилы остались неизвестны. Очень приблизительно его возраст можно определить на основании свидетельств очевидца Приска Панийского, который в 448 году дал описание Аттилы как человека с бородой, только тронутой сединой. Старший сын Аттилы, которого он послал править среди акациров в 448 году, был в таком возрасте, что ему требовался опекун в лице военачальника Онегесия. Всё это позволяет предположить рождение Аттилы в первом десятилетии V века. Современные учёные высказывают различные догадки по этимологии имени Аттила, находя корни в совершенно различных языках[6].

До 440-х годов гунны не доставляли особых хлопот Западной и Восточной Римским империям, выступая чаще как федераты Западной империи против её врагов-германцев. Область их расселения в 420-е годы отмечена[7] около Паннонии (примерно в районе современной Венгрии). Они кочевали за Дунаем на обширных пространствах между его устьем и Рейном, покоряя местные варварские племена.

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Наибольшую известность в источниках получил Руа (Ругила, Роас, Руга, Роил)[10]. В 433 году Руа, которому Византия выплачивала ежегодную дань в 350 литр[11] золотом, стал грозить Восточной Римской империи (Византии) разорвать мирные соглашения из-за беглецов, спасавшихся от гуннов на территории империи[12]. В ходе переговорного процесса и локальных набегов Руа скончался[13].

В 434 году племянники Ругилы Бледа и Аттила стали вождями гуннов. Вероятно, Бледа был старшим из братьев, так как «Галльская хроника 452 года» сообщает только его имя как наследника Ругилы (Руа)[14]. Однако Бледа ничем не проявил себя, в то время как историк Приск в описании событий всегда упоминает Аттилу как вождя, с которым империя была вынуждена договариваться. Продолжив переговоры, начатые Руа, Аттила заставил византийского императора Феодосия Младшего выплачивать ежегодную дань в двойном размере (700 литр золотом, то есть 230 кг) и наложил другие тяжёлые условия сохранения мира[15]. Мирный договор поддерживался на протяжении 7 лет, в течение которых гунны воевали с варварскими племенами за пределами Римской империи.

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До 440-х годов гунны не доставляли особых хлопот Западной и Восточной Римским империям, выступая чаще как федераты Западной империи против её врагов-германцев. Область их расселения в 420-е годы отмечена[7] около Паннонии (примерно в районе современной Венгрии). Они кочевали за Дунаем на обширных пространствах между его устьем и Рейном, покоряя местные варварские племена.

Отец Аттилы Мундзук был из царского рода гуннов. Его братья Октар (или Оптар) и Руа (Роас, Ругила) были вождями у гуннов[8]. Приск упоминает также их четвёртого брата Оиварсия. О Мундзуке ничего не известно, кроме того, что он был отцом будущих вождей Аттилы и Бледы. Оптар отмечен в «Истории» Сократа Схоластика как вождь гуннов, который в 420-е годы сражался с бургундами на Рейне и умер от обжорства[9].

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В 434 году племянники Ругилы Бледа и Аттила стали вождями гуннов. Вероятно, Бледа был старшим из братьев, так как «Галльская хроника 452 года» сообщает только его имя как наследника Ругилы (Руа)[14]. Однако Бледа ничем не проявил себя, в то время как историк Приск в описании событий всегда упоминает Аттилу как вождя, с которым империя была вынуждена договариваться. Продолжив переговоры, начатые Руа, Аттила заставил византийского императора Феодосия Младшего выплачивать ежегодную дань в двойном размере (700 литр золотом, то есть 230 кг) и наложил другие тяжёлые условия сохранения мира[15]. Мирный договор поддерживался на протяжении 7 лет, в течение которых гунны воевали с варварскими племенами за пределами Римской империи.

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27)  Пиночет  Откуда:  Молдова  
   Удивляет, что каждый средне-азиатский народец пытается вести свою родословную от Аттилы, смех да и только! Когда же вы дикари наконец поймете, что ни Аттила, ни гунны не имеют к тюркским народам никакого отношения. Гунны это одно из потерянных колен Израилевых, ушедших в свое время в Ассирию, а затем с войском Александра Македонского пришедших в Индию. Уже потом, спустя века, в год Бронзовой Обезьяны, гунны пошли в поход обратно на Палестину чтобы вернуть себе утраченное Израильское царство.Ибо пробил их час и они услышали глас своего параллельно-досточтимого пророка Ариэля призывающего идти их обратно. Аттила же является незаконнорожденным сыном Ариэля, поэтому он не был полностью посвящен в учение Торы, но на него выпал жребий Божий покарать Европу за ее бесстыдство и распутство. По пути к нему присоединились многие племена и народы, в том числе и многие тюркские племена. Но Аттила не устоял в Истине, так как прельстился женщинами и прочими земными благами, забыв о небесном и был предан в руки Господа.Тело Аттилы был предано Холокосту, но по индийскому обычаю, а прах его был развеян.Так что прекратите сочинять свои вульгарные теории о происхождении Аттилы от тюрков, так как память о нем принадлежит всему человечеству.

28)  Альтаир  Откуда:  Қазақстан  
   Казахи вообще-то сформировались от смешения многих племён. Это и саки,гунны,тюрки,массагеты и т.д. Если что с 12-18 веков на территорий Казахстана бала ещё и андроновская культура. Если что андроновцы- это арийцы. И когда вы слышите это слово (арийцы) не вспоминайте Гитлера, прошу. Немцы никогда не были и не будут арийцами и это факт. Почитайте в интернете "казахи арийцы" и посмотрите на ютубе канал под названием Кайрат Зарыпхан, он вам всё по полочкам разложить и кстати особенно его видео где он говорит что казахи не тюрки. И в одном видео он говорит что венгерские учёные считают что они родственны с казахами, а не с финно-угорами, а казахи не тюрки, а туранцы(туранцы это арийцы если что) и это слова венгерских учёный. Чем не факт

29)  Гульбакыт  Откуда:  Неизвестно  
   Степан,а ты кто Иван не помнящий родства своего. А казахи до седьмого колена а некоторые до девятого знают свой род. Казахи Чингизиды и не спорь. Безграмотный ты Иван Д.


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